I Liked ‘Batman v Superman’…Until Zack Snyder Defended It
I feel like I’m in an awkward position. Before the massive layers of hate were stacked on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice I’d attended an advance screening and enjoyed it. I even gave it a good review. Whilst I agreed with many of the points being made by the film’s detractors, my review reflected the feeling I had immediately after seeing the movie without expectations. Sure it had problems, but they could be explained away in universe.
Then Zack Snyder started defending the movie. And he. Ruined. Everything.
All the explanations he had for the plot holes, all the thinking that went into the movie, made it so much worse. Suddenly the reasons I assumed they had for the plot holes or problems in the movie had been replaced with stupidity. I trusted that even if the movie didn’t work as expected they had good intentions behind. Apparently not.
Let me explain with an example. The big example. Batman murdering people. Throughout the film Batman kills multiple criminals by shooting at their cars, blowing them up and running them down. I thought this was reflective of Batman having campaigned against crime for 20 years without seeing any change, or as he put it “every weed I pull up, another grows in its place”. He had started branding criminals and seemed unconcerned about this brand being a ‘death sentence’ in prison. Batman was older and become callous, needing the beacon of hope that is Superman to put him on his path. That’s what happened, right? Not according to Zack Snyder.
So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself].
Wait…what? It wasn’t that he had reached a breaking point and let his anger get the better of him, it’s that he wasn’t really killing those guys. They just happened to die…entirely of their own accord…because they were doing the wrong thing. There’s two problems with this claim, the first being that Batman still wouldn’t allow that to happen. He’d never think ‘well, that guy pulled the pin on that grenade so it’s his own fault it blew him and his friends up’ whilst throwing it back to him. Batman would diffuse that situation without letting anyone die. The second problem with this statement is that blatantly doesn’t happen that way in the movie. A thug throws a grenade at Batman and instead of chucking it out the window Batman throws it back at him. He flies the Batwing into battle and opens fire on the bad guys in their cars, blowing them up. It’s hardly a case of ‘well, that’s their own fault for sitting in a car while it was riddled with high calibre rounds and turned into a flaming pinata of death’. This is a ridiculous idea and an even more ridiculous defense of the criticism.
Even before Batman v Superman was released there was some major criticism leveled at Man of Steel and Superman’s wholesale destruction of Metropolis during his fight with Zod. Superman was the attacked party here, but there’s never an attempt to take the fight away from populated areas. Almost as though Snyder was so caught up in the CGI-fueled mayhem he wasn’t giving any thought to the characters. At the beginning of the new movie we see the battle from the street level perspective of Bruce Wayne. It gave the oft-mocked issue a human element, an emotional context. Almost as though Snyder had taken on the criticism and learned from it.
“I went, really? And I said, well, what about [‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’]? In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”
Nope. We shouldn’t worry our pretty little heads about it. I mean, way more people got killed in The Force Awakens. We should get over it. Except the pesky fact that the two situations have less than nothing to do with each other. Superman is supposed to be the hero, a figure who sets a higher standard for the human race, who has a strong moral code and when he’s responsible for knocking buildings down onto the people he’s sworn to protect we’re going to cry foul. In The Force Awakens we have power hungry maniacs deliberately wiping out civilizations, not causing collateral damage. They blew up those planets because the director wanted us to view them as the bad guys. We expect that kind of behaviour from the villains, it doesn’t make it OK for the hero to do it to a lesser degree. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Snyder defended Batman’s killing spree with “well, what about Hitler?”
Then there’s Superman’s death. Such a big move must be reflective of bigger ideals. My feeling was that Superman was proving that man can be better by giving his own life in their defense. Why did Zack Snyder do it?
I felt it was inevitable. Even when we were working on Man of Steel, I was like, Gosh, what are we going to do with this guy? He’s a pretty tough cookie. He’s so mythic.
In short: shock value. He’s so “mythic” that they have to kill him just to be shocking. At least he got treated better than Jimmy Olsen.
“…we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?”
Yes, fun. Shooting him in the face with no consequences to the story or emotional attachment to a beloved character. Fun! Originally Jesse Eisenberg was going to play to role of Olsen getting shot for extra shock value, but Snyder feared it would be too shocking. He will, however, have a larger story in the 4 hour R-Rated blu-ray that no-one is going to watch.
Look, I get it. You’re making an adaptation of a pre-existing story that people have been following for decades. Not everything is going to work to every fan’s satisfaction. But if you have a clear idea, a bold vision about how the character needs to work in the modern age, you can build on it. So long as you remain true to the spirit of the character you can do that. Some things will be different. No, wait…Zack Snyder understands comics way more than we do and he should shut our mouths.
“People are always like, ‘You changed Superman’ If you’re a comic book fan, you know that I didn’t change Superman. If you know the true canon, you know that I didn’t change Superman. If you’re a fan of the old movies, yeah I changed him a bit. That’s the difference. I’m a bit of a comic book fan and I always default to the true canon.”
Urgh. My feeling towards this movie sours every time Zack Snyder talks about it. I feel as though I’ve given him more credit than he deserves. The thought process that led to this movie turning out the way it did is blisteringly dim-witted. I’m tempted to go back and change my score in the review, but I won’t do that. I rated the movie on how I felt at the time. I’m less fond of it now, and really not looking forward to Justice League.
At least we still have the Marvel Cinematic Universe to keep us happy. That’s one that has been thinking things through, making smart moves and understanding what makes the genre so great. Not that Batman and Superman need to understand the genre. They TRANSCEND it.
“But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man — not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?”
Big words for a man whose movie took a bigger box office drop in the second week than Batman and Robin. At this point Batman v Superman is a lot closer in box office to Ant-Man than it’s true rival The Avengers. I think I’ll let Sebastian ‘The Winter Soldier’ Stan have the final word on this one.
I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that.
I mean, I always debate with myself if an artist’s interpretation of their own art should impact the way everyone else views the art, and I like to think it doesn’t, but damn, Zack Snyder says some stupid stuff that’s hard to overlook.
You encouraged me to not read any explanations by Snyder. I’ll just keep my own ideas on this subject just so that Im protected and insulated from idiocy, and can enjoy the next films.
Again still conflicted about this movie. Have to see it again to really get a sense. However, you are right. Zack Snyder NEEDS to stop talking. I would have been better with him responding to questions with “This was my movie, this was my interpretation, every else can go f themselves if they don’t like it.” And I know I’m being a stickler here but technically right now BVS is in the top five for blu ray purchases. At least from my latest research. #YeahI’mThatGuy lol
Hah I too found it a difficult pill to swallow when he started defending Batman killing people. Such a fine line. This is a great write up, have you shared it on any other movie websites?
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Admittedly, Snyder isn’t the best speaker. But whether you intended it or not, you’ve misappropriated virtually all of his comments. He wasn’t addressing those things in the manner which you framed them. He and his movies may rub you the wrong way, but this article is hardly better in its catty presumptuousness.
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