‘John Carter’ Sequel: A Fanboy Delusion
This is going to seem like a strange article to have written. The reason it came about is because modern pop-culture fan behaviour can be a fascinating thing to observe. From the elaborate costumes at conventions to the dedication people have to preserving online committees. As a fanboy myself it makes me feel as though I’m part of something bigger. But sometimes you encounter a group of fans who are just…nuts.

Not even the tasty kind.
Last week we published a movie review of the Blu-Ray release of John Carter. Not wanting to spoil anything but it was pretty mediocre. Shortly after this review was published we were hit up by a group on twitter called ‘Back to Barsoom’ who were voicing their desire to see a sequel get made. I paid it little heed, as we get many notifications about a range of causes. It’s nice having some issues brought to our attention (thanks Edward James Olmos!) so we can get on board with them, but a John Carter sequel wasn’t on our list of priorities.
Then the comments started arriving on the review. Unlike most comments that would simply berate us for having a different point of view or acknowledging why we have a different opinion the authors of these comments seemed determined to make us change our minds. They all followed a similar thread, taking a quote out of the review and countering it with carefully selected statistics that they felt proved that the movie was a ‘hit’. Comments frequently end with the poster urging viewers to see it and ‘make up their own minds’, oblivious to the fact that its Flixster score suggests that people have made up their own mind and they weren’t impressed.
Sensing that this was not the work of a group of like-minded fans who are particular enamored with a below par sci-fi film, I checked out who they people were. This is when I found that most of them belonged to the aforementioned ‘Back to Barsoom’ collective who campaign heavily for a sequel to John Carter and feel the way to do this is by attacking critics and collecting signatures.

In order to protect the identity of Bark to Barsoom members we have tastefully disguised their appearance.
It seems that nobody explained to ‘Back to Barsoom’ how the Hollywood system works. If a movie is not a financial success out of the gate you can assume that a follow up effort is going to be very, very unlikely. Considering that John Carter left Disney out of pocket some $61 million it is outright delusional of anyone to think that they will risk backing a sequel. It’s possible that they really want to make a sequel – god knows they wanted it to be a franchise – but Disney is a business and it would be irresponsible to invest in a sequel. Picketing studios demanding a sequel is not going to change economic facts.
I know what it’s like when your dreams of potential movies are dashed. When Shane Black’s genre distorting modern noir classic Kiss Kiss Bang Bang hit cinemas I was in love. After setting up the tone and the relationship between the characters I wanted nothing more than a sequel. Sadly the box office wasn’t kind to it and although it was a cult hit, a sequel was not on the cards. I was disappointed, but I instead turned my attention to what the director would do next. And what he’s doing is awesome.
The ‘Back to Barsoom’ group can’t seem to shake the notion that John Carter wasn’t successful enough to get a sequel. They claim that it’s really a ‘hit’ and a financial success, and if only people would see it then they’ll find out for themselves what a masterpiece it is. They turn a blind eye to any figures that don’t support their claims and insist that it has “grossed nearly as much as other films which are considered ‘hits’”, and is a best selling Blu-Ray.

Pictured: Not a best seller.
If you’re still reading at this point you may be wondering where I’m going with all of this. It’s not a response to their comments on our review (the responses to those comments were made directly) but because I’m outright astounded that people would invest so much time, effort and money in such a trivial cause. It’s…a movie. And a rather plain one at that. I love movies to an unhealthy extent but eventually you have to draw the line and say that this is not an important goal to peruse, especially when the amount of effort dedicated to it could’ve been redirected to an actual cause.
So in conclusion I would like to present the Top 10 Worthy Causes to Support Instead of a John Carter Sequel.
10. Campaigning for Better Social Networking Privacy
This is also a pretty trivial issue, but I’m putting it here because ‘Back to Barsoom’ are about to find out that I’ve raided their very public Facebook and Twitter accounts to find information to use in this article.
9. Petitioning for Better Gun Control
At the recent San Diego Comic Con the ‘Back to Barsoom’ group set up a stall to collect signatures on a petition for John Carter 2, because this is the only cause on the mind of cinema patrons these days. Or, in the wake of the tragic Colorado shooting, they could collect signatures to encourage the government to revisit gun control. Now before everyone gets all “2nd Amendment” in comment section there is another side to the issue…
8. Petition for Better Mental Health Services
Because let’s face it, some of the John Carter fans are going to need it.
7. Supporting Alzheimer Research
As author Terry Pratchett discovered after being diagnosed with the condition, Alzheimer’s effects just as many people as cancer yet only attracts a fraction of the public support.
6. Sponsor Children in Need
Setting up stalls at Comic Con cost money. Sponsor a child. It’s a better use of your dollars.
5. Join the Protest for a Good Cause
When organising a protest one of the hardest things to do is get people to actually show up. Considering some of the fans of John Carter make a point of turning up at random TV studios to promote their cause why not join other protests?
4. Help the Homeless
You’re getting out into the public space to promote a pointless cause, why not slip a couple of bucks to someone who needs it? Disney certainly can’t afford it after John Carter flopped.
3. Support Reading Programs in Public Schools
The amount of budget assigned to the public school system in many western countries is dangerously low. Not only is this creating poor working conditions for teachers and students alike. Perhaps you can support the system by promoting the reading of classic sci-fi literature by raising funds for the schools to buy Burroughs books.
2. Invest in Some Design Courses
Not a cause directly, but after spending some time working on your design skills you could volunteer your time and skills to a better cause than campaigning for a movie. Also, your website won’t look like this:
1. Pretty Much Anything
The world is full of causes to support, and we cannot possibly narrow it down to ten. Open the phone book, stick in a pin and go for it.




What about a Serenity sequel?mI’d so start a petition for that movie! Great article and I agree with you, I have an unhealthy obsession with movies , but not that bad!
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Clearly you are a person with no dreams, no goals, no reaching for the stars here. Just pragmatic, boring, defeatist, loser, pick your own term. I must say, I pity you.
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Don’t you mean “reach for the Mars?”
Keep the comments coming, I might get enough material for a follow up.
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Please do a follow-up! Thanks! It may start popping up in search engines. Thanks again!
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How about this, I support many causes! The fight against animal abuse, millions against Monsanto, child abuse, human rights, farmers rights, disease research and prevention, etc, etc, AND I’m admin for the John Carter sequel campaign. So you may think everything is “either/or”, but for me it’s “this AND that”. And I’m not ashamed to enjoy something and be a true fan and fight for what I want to see!! Maybe you can’t comprehend that, but alas, there is more to this world than your limited philosophy. GO BARSOOM!
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I am so glad that you put the ’cause’ of a John Carter sequel alongside human rights.
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why do you believe a person cannot support a John Carter sequel and participate in any of the things you have listed above?
Perhaps though, you should list things with more tangible goals instead of picking things that have average people cant possible change, we cant eliminate homelessness, or cure alzeihmers . . .
there are no goal posts in your ideas of “alternatives”
we have a goal that can be achieved, we arent fighting for some vague goal with no end “stop animal abuse”
yeah we will get right on that, stopping all people from abusing animals forever
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Interesting article, why does it bother you that a group of people would work so hard for a sequel? I liked the movie, but I had read the source material and thought it well done, but that only my opinion. I did not like the latest Batman movie, although the change in Catwoman was interesting. I also thought Anne Hathaway was excellent in her role. Secondly, while your list of causes is fine, the people involved in the back to barsoom site are entitled to work at what they want and you are entitled to be a critic. Anyway, as I said, interesting article. Although if Disney lost 61 million on this movie (I think a low figure, more like 100 million) that would be like me losing 8 dollars IMHO LOL
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It sure seems to me that you really go out of your way to diss a group just because the disagree with you. You even go and list 10 other things people should sign up for and still make mean remarks about this group, Back to Barsoom, when you should be detecting this list to yourself! Kind of sad that someone like you, without vision, other on your own self importance take such time and delight in making fun simply because you don’t agree with them. Depict this list of yours on yourself’!!!!
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Oh, you are so clever! No seriously, I should thank you for this….although sorta wondering why you would take all of this time and effort to write in this manner about John Carter fans. Why do you care so much? You must not be much of a Star Trek fan either, cause look what they did back in the ’60’s, ’70’s and ’80’s – they were MUCH worse than us! Anyway, as one of the Admins for the Back To Barsoom group, I’d just like to say thanks for the PR – the more people write about us (good or bad) the more we get out there in the internet world. So thank you – you’ve just helped to make more people curious about us. And you know, that just might be all that’s needed for us to get our Sequel!
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I like this comment. You’re standing by your opinion, yet you’re allowing the writer to have his.
I personally agree with the writer that your cause is probably a lost one because of the poor box-office results (and all that effort would be better spent on another cause… like helping abandoned dogs for example), yet I am glad that you guys have the passion to fight against the odds anyway.
There have been many TV shows that have gotten a new lease of life because of diehard fans like yourselves… though to my knowledge that phenomenon has not occurred with movies. Well, maaaaybe Escape from LA was a result of a flop gaining steam as a cult-classic… so you guys do have a shot after all!
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Certainly, there’s no way a fan-driven campaign can influence Hollywood or a network to change it’s mind about producing something, gfunk101. In my 59 years on the planet I’ve never seen it happen…. oh wait… back around 1968… there was a show that was going to be cancelled after 2 seasons on NBC. A loyal fan base flooded NBC with letters wanting a third season. And based on that fan driven campaign NBC brought the show back for a third season. You may have heard of the show? Star Trek. A franchise that will be celebrating 50 years of existence in 2016. An event that by your logic should not be happening because the reason for it is impossible: loyal fans wanting a third season and changing the mind of a network.
In calling John Carter fans nuts, you insult them, you insult the fans of Star Trek who campaigned for it to continue, you just don’t seem to get it.
The fans of John Carter who belong to the Take Me Back to Barsoom Facebook group are devoted fans who hope to make the new powers that be at Disney see that the old regime missed the boat in many ways in how to have marketed John Carter into a franchise.
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It’s a good thing that the politics, business structure and management of the entertainment industry hasn’t changed since 1968, otherwise your point might’ve been a total waste of time.
Or if the resurrection of the series was based on increased ratings as a result of constant repeats to the cheap syndication of the show, and not fan action. Then your entire comment would’ve been entirely without merit.
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Please re-read my post. I was referring to fans influencing NBC to bring back Star Trek for a third season in 1968. The original series hadn’t hit syndication yet.
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and it most likely wouldn’t have been syndicated without the fan base requesting the third season that made syndication possible and led to the movies then Next Generation etc. etc. I don’t think you know your Trek history. We have gotten so used to the “one person cannot change anything” argument that we forget everything in the world starts with one person saying “what if.”
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Awww… no love for animals in need of good homes?
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I think the fact that this group searches the internet for articles like this one, i.e. bad reviews of John carter or any article that puts the movie in a bad light or anything related that doesn’t agree with them so they can flood the comments section with their “positive” responses takes the term ‘FAN’atic to a new level.
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Spaceman Spiff: Thanks for the comment to the comments. I think you are absolutely right!
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we are a group of fans with a common interest in something, that have gathered to discuss it and promote what we like . . . how are we any different from any other fandom? You are insulting us, and poorly photoshopping pictures of our friends!
and by the way, your argument is true of all fandoms, we could be doing something better. But this is what we chose to do. How about instead of reading batman comics or complaining about how “all new star wars sucks” (like every geek does), you go help the homeless or do any of those other myriad of things.
you seem to be taking offense at the fact that we like something, and that is contradictory to geek culture as a whole.
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Hello Mr. Funk: I found your article to be very interesting reading. There were a few comments I wish to make regarding it. First, let’s start with the “basics”. Why be a fan of the John Carter movie? Well, maybe because it’s an imaginative adventure filled with first class special effects and a very positive message of people of different races working together. In short— a feel good movie. Maybe because it is great vehicle for escaping reality for a few hours which not only takes us to a different time but also a different planet. Or maybe because it’s based on a classic tale written by one of the world’s greatest authors. Whatever the reason, there are thousands upon thousands of fans who want to see more.
It’s quite clear to all that you are not one of those fans. That’s ok, to each his own. Believe it or not, I’m NOT going to try to convert you into becoming a John Carter fan. However, in this day and age of tough economic times, there are many movie goers who have to be quite selective when it comes to paying for a movie. And, when they hear unflattering reviews or read statistics about poor performance on opening weekend, many chose to skip seeing John Carter at the movie theaters. When those people find out all the positive things about the movie I have already mentioned, many have decided to see the movie on DVD/Bluray and have thoroughly enjoyed it . That is a fact, I know this because many have joined our group— the one you “borrowed” the pictures from.
There were several worthy causes you suggested people devote their time to and spend their money on. Reading programs, helping the homeless, Alzheimer’s research are programs which help all society. My only question regarding this, is why in the world don’t you think we already contribute our time and money to these and multiple other worthy causes in addition to supporting the quest for a John Carter sequel? You don’t have to answer that question. However, I do think more research on your part would make for a more credible article.
I will disagree with one of your statements by saying I agree with you– John Carter was NOT a box office hit, though my understanding is it did earn approximately 260 million dollars worldwide and is cleaning up in DVD and Bluray sales which makes it hard for me to believe it is a flop. There were several non-production reasons for it’s underperformance and now is not the best time to rehash it all. However, one of the reasons it did relatively poorly was many people had never heard of John Carter before . Well, thanks to the efforts of fans around the world, more and more people have heard of John Carter and seen the movie since it’s release on home media.
You mentioned something about the business of hollywood and I agree–it’s all about profit. Well, with all the publicity and the ever expanding fan base of those wanting to see a sequel, Disney studios could make a mint if they produce a sequel and put forth a decent marketing campaign— something painfully lacking in the recently released John Carter movie.
So, does this pursuit of a John Carter sequel stand a chance ? Definitely !
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Let me say how we spend our time and money is our own business and how do you know we dont support other causes that you approve of unlike what you seem to think us fans that support John Carter can do more then one thing.Say that a lot of fans that wanted a John Carter sequel nuts and need mental health help is hitting below the belt.
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Dear BatMite-
Just speaking for myself here, but I for one wanted to extend a personal thank-you to you for taking time out of your busy schedule of pulling the wings off of flies and informing primary school-age children that Santa Claus is really Daddy and it’s Mama and not the Tooth Fairy who left them that money under their pillows in exchange for their outgrown teeth, all so you could “set those wrong-headed John Carter fans straight.”
Boy, you really showed them! I’m sure they’ll listen to the pearls of wisdom-cum-broad, sweeping generalizations emanating from an imp of your stature, strike their tents and just skulk on home to “focus on more important things.”
Now that you’ve made all these JC fans see the light, do you think you might do something about all those Team Edward/Jacob types of all shapes and sizes running around loose out there? I’m sure one of them would be good for at least a cure for cancer or maybe a workable paradigm for cold fusion if they, too were strong and persuasively encouraged to “focus on more important things.”
All the Best-
Brian
PS Australia, especially Perth, and most especially both King Edward Park and the Sail and Anchor down near the water in Fremantle (if it’s still in business) collectively rock.
PPS I really liked KISS KISS BANG BANG (especially the Chandler and Brett Halliday references). That doesn’t make it any less the truly hard-to-follow-for-most-people hot mess that it was.
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good afternoon gfunk101,
After reading your article i somewhat amazed. I had never heard of john carter before i saw the dvd. i watch a fair amount of tv and i walk past 2 cinemas every day, i never saw a poster, add or any other advertising technique to hint this movie existed. (lack of which is i am sure one of the reasons this movie failed at the box office)
I saw the dvd, fell in love with the movie and wanted more.So because i can’t just say i want it and it happens i thought i would join the group you mentioned and am trying to spread the word about this movie. i tell my friends about it, colleagues at work and at the video store if someone is looking at it i tell them it is not that bad. we may have little to no hope of getting the sequel made but we believe in it enough to try.
But being part of a group does not mean you should be pidgin holed into some sad stereotype. I have a life, i work 12 hour days, a part of my wage is donated to the salvation army and animal rescue(rspca Australia), I donate my time to helping others when i can. i try not to belittle people because they dare to dream and usually respect others opinions as i would want mine respected however what you did crossed into just plain nastiness. if you wrote this article because you felt in any way attacked for your original article then i am sorry for that however you could have chosen the high road instead of the gutter you chose to sit in. you are not a bad person and you have the right to have your views respected or at least tolerated however i don’t appreciate being called nuts even by association.
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Love this comment. Thank you, Sam. Go Barsoom!
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I’m sorry, gfunk101, that you didn’t like John Carter. I loved it. I hadn’t seen a movie I liked this much since Star Wars, which by the way, was inspired by this story. I want to see a sequel simply because I want to experience at the theater what I did when Empire and Return came out all those years ago. BTW, the people on the Take Me Back to Barsoom site don’t just respond to negative reviews of John Carter. They also comment on the good reviews and there are a lot of them. People are finding this overlooked film and the vast majority like it. It is an old fashioned swashbuckling sci/fi fantasy the likes of which we have not seen in many years. And that includes IMHO Avatar, which was also inspired by John Carer’s source material. One last thing. To photoshop a picture in order to ridicule some with whom you disagree is a bit low even for a reviewer.
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and (this may be hard to believe) we just like to read articles about John Carter . . .
we are John Carter fans after all
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What you do is search the internet for all the articles you can find that talk bad about, give a less than positive review about or that are written by people who just generally don’t like the movie. Then whoever found it reports it back to their buddies over on ‘back to barsoom’ and they all troop over and flood the comments section of said article. Now you have every right in the world to do this but it really is pathetic.
Besides, it really isn’t that great of a movie and it’s a piss poor adaption to boot.
Oh and my earlier comment, sarcasm people. Learn to recognize it.
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And you seem to be following us around. Not to mention your much noted insight, time and effort you are evidently spending on your part to know what we do and don’t do. Not much difference here Mr. Spaceman Spiff. Bet you’ll even be back to respond…..
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I haven’t seen John Carter (may watch it out of curiosity, the same reason I went to watch G.I Joe), but I have to admit…yeah, I can’t see a studio listening to a petition for something they lost that much money on, no matter how much those people want it. Less about dreams and desires, and more to do with the fact that they seem to just badger people about it. How many petitions were most likely signed for Firefly to be brought back? It just doesn’t work. And those causes you listed really do seem much more worthwhile. Good post – I enjoyed reading it.
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We may not get Disney to do a sequel to John Carter but we are sure going to try to change their minds by spreading the word out how good a movie John Carter is and how Disney messed up in marketing the movie.
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From what I’ve seen here, you’re targeting someone who has already seen the film – I admit, I haven’t, but I tend to get put off something if someone is constantly telling me to watch something. I listen to recomendations, but if someone doesn’t like it then you’re not going to change their mind just by stating “oh, it’s great!” It really is a matter of opinion – you’d be better off lightly recomending it to people who haven’t seen it, rather than seeking out people who have and didn’t like it. And in regards to the marketing…I saw a lot of promotion for it when it was in the cinema, the same amount I would see for almost every other film. It sucks when something you love doesn’t get the credit you feel it deserves, but not everyone is going to feel the same way about it. It makes the world a great place that everyone has different tastes – like I said, recomend it to people who haven’t seen it but there still needs to be a level of respect for people who may not have seen it and have no interest, and for people who just don’t feel the same way.
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JC seems to be a strange film – People either hate it or adore it.Even though the critics were saying ‘don`t watch it’,I decided to make up my own mind -and it’s the most worthwhile and inspirational film I`ve seen in a long time.I`m sorry some people just missed the party,but I’m irritated that they`ve prevented any chance of the rest of us enjoying another.I would have liked to be inspired and entertained again!
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I’m glad to see the whole experience hasn’t made you bitter. Why are you still around?
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